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1) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : All the sudden my WU stopped and uploaded itself. IT\'s GONE! (Message 16331)
Posted 30 Sep 2005 by Snake Doctor
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You had a model failure, and, yes, you do have to start over.
This sort of thing happens all the time.



Ouch!! What a bummer.

Thanks
Phil
2) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : All the sudden my WU stopped and uploaded itself. IT\'s GONE! (Message 16329)
Posted 30 Sep 2005 by Snake Doctor
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My first model has been running for some time now with no problems. I was into Phase 2 and nearing about 50% complete. In fact it trickled early this morning. All of the sudden the model stopped and a bunch of \'.ZIP\" files got uploaded and now the model is just gone. What happened. I looked at the results and it says there was no heartbeat from the client.

This means I have to start over?

Regards
Phil
3) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Sulphur Cycle Model for Mac (Message 16107)
Posted 18 Sep 2005 by Snake Doctor
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Thanks for the input. I obviously do not have a SC model. I would like to work one of these. I would also like to see the new GUI version of the graphics for the Mac.

Regards
Phil
4) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Sulphur Cycle Model for Mac (Message 16090)
Posted 18 Sep 2005 by Snake Doctor
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I currently have three models on my machine. One of them has not started to run, at all (2fa0_100134258_0). This is not a system problem I suspended it when it downloaded to prevent it from running and keep the other two moving along. The other two models (2g9s_200135558_1, and 074h_000014163_1) are at Phase 1 trickle 23, and Phase 1 Trickle 7 respectively. The first shows 900 hours to completion. The second still shows over 1500 hours to completion. I want these two to run to completion.

But I would like to know, if the second one is a sulphur cycle model? How do you tell?

I would very much like to run a Sulphur cycle model along with the two I have running, but I do not know how to go about downloading one. And I do not want to mess up the science by aborting the third model I have unless this would not be a problem.

I have already installed the new Mac OS library software to get ready for this.

Is there some way to specifically download a SC model? If I can do this I would run all three.

Thank you for any help you can provide

Regards
Phil
5) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Totally Foxed First Timer (Message 15357)
Posted 25 Aug 2005 by Snake Doctor
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>
>
> Did you ever get your MAC OSX installation working? I'm a Mac person so if
> you're still having problems, please repost.
>
> Cliff
>

It looks like she gave up. Unfortunatly there are not enough of us here to help all the Mac folks before they get frustrated and move on. Its a real shame too. I think the science is suffering. Imagine a system designed from the ground up to do number crunching and graphics, and no support from the project. really sad.

Regards
Phil
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6) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : HELP - - System Logged me out and I cant get back on (Message 15356)
Posted 25 Aug 2005 by Snake Doctor
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> One of the problems for Mac users, is that there are very few Mac users, and
> so there is little information available.
> If you look at BOINCstats, you can find pie charts of this sort of thing. Macs
> are only about 2%.

This fact should not prevent the CP@H support people from reading and responding to posts on these boards asking for help. I think it says something that the market share for Mac is more like 8-10%. If only 2% are participating in this study, it tells me it is Mac hostile.
>
> In line 5 of your post, you have posted an alpha numeric string. If this is
> your key, edit your post IMMEDIATELY and delete the string.
>

The posted "key" is a fake for illistrative purposes.


Regards
Phil
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7) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Totally Foxed First Timer (Message 15263)
Posted 21 Aug 2005 by Snake Doctor
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You have downloaded the "Command Line Interface" (CLI) version of BOINC. You may find the "Graphical User Interface" (GUI) version more to your liking. Go to <A HREF="http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/index.php">http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/index.php</A> on this website and follow the download steps there. If that is where you got the version of BOINC you already have, then try <A HREF="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/index.php">http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/index.php</A> and use the link to their "Download" page or go direct to the page <A HREF="http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php">http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php</A>.

At the SETI site you can choose to download one or both GUI BOINC Clients. It does not matter where you actually get the BOINC client they are all the same. The Menubar version is easy to use but provides a little less control over individual projects. It does have the advantage of showing you a text description of the Climate model while it is running. The Desktop GUI is a little more flexible in allowing you to control things, but it will only show you when the model is running with no real details.

If you have not already done so create a user account here at climate prediction using an e-mail box you are sure will deliver mail from England. Yahoo and hotmail both work, currently Verizon does not. After you create your account you will get an e-mail with a Web address and a long series of number and letters (your account key) as described in the previous post.

After you install the GUI BOINC Client of your choice, start it up, and open the BOINC Manager window from the BOINC menu. Click on the button "Attach to New Project". When it asks for the web address and account key copy them from your e-mail and paste them in to the appropriate fields. The system will automatically load the correct Climate prediction software, download your first model(s), and start running.

You should not be shocked by the size of the model or the projected time for completion. You will be given credit as the model progresses. depending on the speed of your system it could take a few days between "trickles" each trickle is worth about 95 credits, and there are 72 trickles in a model. Stick with it is is fun.

For instruction on how to actually view the model as it is running see <A HREF="http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=3040">this post</A>.
Regards
Phil

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8) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : How to run the CP Vis program for Mac users (Message 15255)
Posted 20 Aug 2005 by Snake Doctor
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I apologize to those of you who may find these instructions too detailed, but they are written for people who may not be familiar with the details of the system, and who may never have seen the command line interface for the Mac.

Getting Started

These instruction will be much easier if you set your Mac windows to display as lists of files. To do this when a disk or folder window opens look in the upper left corner. You will see a few icons there. There will be a right and left pointing arrow and just to the right of that are three icons. Click on the center icon of those three to set the list mode. As you follow these directions if a window opens that is not in list mode, repeat this adjustment. This will allow you to open folders by clicking on the small pointer that will appear next to each folder name and prevent the system from opening a separate window for each folder as you go. It will also allow you to see the relationships between all the folders.

1) Locate the climate prediction folder - To find the folder go tho the top level directory of your startup disk by double clicking on the disk icon on your desk top, locate the \"Library\" folder and click on the small arrow to the left of the folder icon to view the contents. Inside the \"Library\" folder you will find a folder named \"Application Support\", click on the arrow to view its contents. Inside the \"Applications Support\" folder you will see a folder named \"BOINC Data\", click on the arrow to view its contents. Inside the \"BOINC Data\" folder you will find a folder named \"projects\", click on the arrow to view its contents and you will find the \"climateprediction.net\" folder, click on the arrow to view its contents.

2) Near the bottom of the files listed in the \"climateprediction.net\" folder you will see a file named \"vis\". This is the ClimatePrediction model program that you must run in the terminal window using the \"Terminal\" utility program which can be found in the Utilities folder inside the \"Applications\" folder on your startup disk.

First the climate prediction model must be loaded in memory on the system for the model visualization to work properly. This means that the system must be actively running the model work unit or at least have the model loaded in the system memory. You can avoid this limitation if you set your preferences option for \"Leave applications in memory while preempted\" on the climate prediction website to \"Yes\". However if the model is not actively processing it will not show all of the details it would otherwise.

Here is the easiest way to run the model.

First start up the \"terminal\" application from the \"Utilities\" folder. This will open the terminal window and a prompt will appear. By default the window opens attached to and able to use resources in your Mac user folder, so the prompt should have the name of your system followed by your user login ID as the prompt.

Last login: Sat Aug 20 13:13:05 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
Your-Computer:~ YourID$

Move the window to one side of your screen to make room for the next step.

Now open the \"climateprediction.net\" folder as described above. and move it over so you can see the terminal window.

On the command line in the terminal window type in \"cd \" (the letters \"cd\" followed by a space). Go to the open disk window and grab the \"climateprediction.net\" folder icon and drag it to the terminal window and drop it there (all this does is type the directory path for you). The directory path should now appear in the terminal window so now the command line will look something like this -

Your-Computer:~ YourID$ cd /Library/Application\\ Support/BOINC\\ Data/projects/climateprediction.net

Press the \"return\" key on your keyboard. The system should respond with -

Your-Computer:/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/projects/climateprediction.net YourID$

Now go back to the open \"climatprediction.net\" folder. and grab and drag the \"vis\" program we located above into the terminal window and drop it. Once again this is only to avoid a lot of typing and possible typing errors. Your command line should now look something like this-

Your-Computer:/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/projects/climateprediction.net YourID$ /Library/Application\\ Support/BOINC\\ Data/projects/climateprediction.net/viz

Press the return key on your keyboard. The system should respond with -

Searching for active shared memory
Using Model ID Your_model_ID number_here

Once the model is running

Assuming the \"vis\" program finds a valid model it will open the model in a new window. There are a number of commands that you can use to change the model display. Type the letter \"H\" and the available commands will appear in the model window. You can also grab the globe with your mouse and rotate or spin it.

To exit the model window and close the model press the \"ESC\" key in the upper right corner of your keyboard.

Viewing different models on your system

If you are running more than one model on your system the \"vis\" program will to allow you to enter the model number for any of the models you are running as a command line option to pick the model it will display. You do this by simply adding the model number after you drag and drop the \"vis\" program into the terminal window and before you press the return key. So the command would look like this- (note there is a space between \"Vis\" and \"Model_Number\")

Your-Computer:/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/projects/climateprediction.net YourID$ /Library/Application\\ Support/BOINC\\ Data/projects/climateprediction.net/viz Model_Number

Unable to attach to shared model

If the model is not in memory (either running or kept in memory while the system processes other work) you will get the message-

Using cmd line arguments Model_Number
Unable to attach to shared memory

You will either have to reset your preferences as described above on the Climateprediction web site, and/or wait for the model to restart on the next processing cycle.

Enjoy
Phil



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9) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : HELP - - System Logged me out and I cant get back on (Message 15251)
Posted 20 Aug 2005 by Snake Doctor
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Well I finally got the answer that solved this problem. If any of you ever need to know the account key for your Mac client -

1) locate the top level directory "Library" on your boot disk and open the directory
2) Open the "Application support" directory
3) Open the "Boinc Data" directory
4) There will be a file there named "account_climateprediction.net.xml", open that file using the TextEdit application which should be in your application folder.
5) the third line of the file will look something like ddbksj5ls8ela98wj7c92ks782ks8d0c

6) copy the part of the line between the &gt; and the
10) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : How to enter command argument to Select Model for VIS (Message 15250)
Posted 20 Aug 2005 by Snake Doctor
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Well despite the poorest documentation I have ever seen, I finally figured out how to get the visual of the CP model to run from the terminal window. To only question I have now is what is the proper form of the command (argument) to tell VIS which model you would like to view.

./VIS ??????

Once I get this last piece figured out I will post detailed instructions for the Mac folks who are having trouble getting this thig going.




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